Prof. Yuval Noah Harari x Legislator KO Ju-Chun on 〈NEXUS〉

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Legislator KO Ju-Chun pointed out Taiwan's slow progress in AI development and expressed concerns about the transparency of the government's "sovereign AI," calling for public participation. Israeli historian Yuval Noah Harari emphasized that the AI revolution should not be a competition between good and evil, advocating for global cooperation to ensure safety and suggesting the creation of an international body to provide information.

  • How can we ensure the development of sovereign AI is transparent and involves public participation?
  • The rapid growth of U.S. social media has negatively impacted democracy.
  • There is a need to establish an international institution to share AI safety information.
  • Create an international body without regulatory power to provide AI information.

Ref. 「Harari x Audrey 2021」

對話內容

Legislator KO Ju-Chun

Hello,

Legislator KO Ju-Chun

I'm legislator Ko.

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I'm the only geek legislator

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taking charge of tech

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policymaking in Taiwan.

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We are all fully aware that

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China may develop dangerous AI

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or authoritarian AI,

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and Taiwan is kind of slow

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in developing our own AI.

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Recently,

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our government may push

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for a sovereign AI.

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However,

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without external oversight,

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they only have

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their self watching and make

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sure it's safe by themselves.

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So,

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and also

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they're possibly blocking

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certain AI in the near future.

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So I want to know that how can

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we ensure a development

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of sovereign AI is

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transparent enough and have a public

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involvement and

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doesn't become another

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authoritarian AI?

Prof. Yuval Noah Harari

Mmm.

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Yeah,

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I think a key message about

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the AI revolution is not to

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think that,

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you know,

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it's a race between

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bad guys and good guys.

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If you,

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there are dangers all over

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the world that even

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the people you think are

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currently the good guys,

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if they move too fast,

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if they

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move without any thought for

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safety,

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this could result in disaster.

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Like you think about social media.

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So you know,

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the United States won

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the race on social media.

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United States developed

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the most powerful social media

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platforms more than

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10 years ago.

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Facebook and YouTube and.

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Twitter,

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long before we saw the

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spread of Chinese social media

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around the world like TikTok,

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and

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The result was catastrophic That

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what really undermined

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democracies all over the world,

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including the United States,

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were not Chinese

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Social media platforms.

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It was Western social media platforms.

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So this I think is is a

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lesson that we should we

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should take to heart.

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and,

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on the other side There are at

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least some areas of

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potential cooperation,

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Global cooperation also with

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China also with other regimes,

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because as I said before,

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About certain

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problems of AI safety,

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like the problem of control,

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The Chinese are as

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worried as the Americans.

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So,

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you know if we If one side

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finds a way,

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a theoretical breakthrough,

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or a technical breakthrough,

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how to ensure control of AI,

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this is something that should

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be shared with everybody.

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This

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should not be a state secret only for our side,

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because it

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would be bad for

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everybody if another country

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produces

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AI that goes out of

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control.

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Now I think what we most

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need is an institution,

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an international institution,

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which is not necessarily

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even a regulatory institution.

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First of all,

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it's an informative

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institution that simply

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tells people around the world,

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in different countries,

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and tells different

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governments,

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what is the current state of AI

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development and what are

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the potential dangers.

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You know,

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if you think about regulation as teeth,

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we need eyes

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before we have teeth.

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Otherwise,

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we don't know what to bite.

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And at the present moment,

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most people around the world,

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and even most governments,

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are dimly aware,

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if at all,

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of the true state of

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development of AI

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and of the dangers.

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If you think about

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the government,

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I don't know,

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of Indonesia,

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or of Nigeria,

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or of Argentina,

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how are they supposed

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to know what is the

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cutting edge of AI

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technology and what are

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the potential threats?

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Because this information is

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mainly in the hands of a

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few corporations

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in basically just two countries,

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the US and China,

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and these governments.

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And what we need is first

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of all a trustworthy

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international

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institution that could

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perhaps be established

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and financed by

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international agreement,

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which has no teeth,

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just eyes,

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just you know,

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enough resources to pay

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for some of the best talent.

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in the world

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and to have cutting edge

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technology

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just to inform people around

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the world what is happening,

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what are the dangers.

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and now let's

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think about what are the

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regulations we need.

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Thank you.