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Yeah, no problem. I will help you to check. Thank you.

Yeah, so before we get started, I just wanted to tell you a little bit more about the story. So my name is Ashish, I've been in Taiwan about three years and so I cover Taiwan for public radio in the US, mainly NPR and shows that are aired on NPR. So this story is about the deal that President Trump announced last week with TSMC, which is like the 100 extra billion dollar investments in the US. So pretty soon after that deal was announced, there was some back and forth in Taiwan about some concerns that the deal was announced by surprise and that there's not yet a consensus on, you know, what what the deal means for Taiwan's economic and national security. So I'm interested in sort of understanding the range of views in Taiwan society and politics around the deal and around how Taiwan should approach this kind of difficult moment, right? So can you start by telling me how did you react when you first heard about about the announcement?

Okay, first of all, United States of America is our strong friend, very important friend, our ally. So it's for sure. If anything that we can make our relationship from Republic of China, which is Taiwan, to be have a stronger relationship, stronger connection with USA, that should be a great thing, okay? So a stronger relationship, stronger together is good to Taiwan and Taiwan people and also for the regional security.

And the second is TSMC is one of the most important industry in Taiwan, especially a company in Taiwan is really, really important. How important? First, the trading volume of the TSMC's stock is kind of a proportion in our stock market is kind of like 40%. So it's really high percentage in our economy. And it's revenue is kind of like equal to our GDP or something like that. And we have a lot of employee work with work in TSMC or work for the ecosystem around TSMC. So it's really, really important. And also at the same time our government is the largest single shareholder of TSMC. It's kind of like 6.38 or like it's around 7%. Even BlackRock is only have like 5.38% or something.

So our government is kind of like invest a lot in TSMC back, you know, to like 40 years and still a really, really important shareholder nowadays. So and we all understand that TSMC is kind of like created a kind of a shield or security situation to kind of like virtually protect Taiwan to make sure that Taiwan is really important to our allies because we develop, our people, our company develop a really important technology for all others in the world.

And we as the public or as a public servant, we all understand the importance and we believe the strategy and the decision made by TSMC should be mutual benefit and will be mutual benefit not only benefit for its own company but also we would like to make it make sure that it will also benefit to Taiwan.

And we strongly believe that because TSMC is you know come across and walking along with Taiwan for 40 years, so we strongly believe this type of mutual beneficial relationship with TSMC and the whole ecosystem, the semiconductor with Taiwan will keep going on. Okay, so we don't doubt, we have no doubt with America. We have no doubt with TSMC. However, as an opposition party or as a majority in the parliament, we have the obligation to make sure our government deliver their promise and make sure they protect the benefit of the government which is the benefit of our people.

So, so the thing is my first react is kind of a little bit surprise because before this, we don't have any hint or like early information from the government or from the TSMC. By legal, a company which is also a public company under stock market, if they're doing some very important action, they have obligation to kind of like to have a information revealing to the investors and a general public.

And also as a government, they have obligation to have a meeting to discuss whether this type of collaboration will harm to our national security on the technology part or like it make sure it will not damage to our national security. So at the beginning I I kind of surprised because we don't have this, because it's just a surprise, we see CC Wei and Trump, President Trump just make the announcement.

However, we all understand this type of negotiation is kind of like secretly or under table or in the meeting room, we can understand that. However, afterward, we are we start to questioning or or request our government to reveal the whole process before the TSMC made the announcement with the President Trump. Because before maybe it's secret, but afterward we have to monitor and make sure the whole process is legit and followed by the law and make sure it will be legal. And therefore, our general public, the other private sector, the other, you know, important key industry, can follow the process and then we will not have too much surprise afterward, right? because if if this situation going kind of a surprise and if this decision made by TSMC and in this negotiation brings some 骨牌效應 kind of like some followers or like some following impact, which leads the other private sector or very important company to try to, you know, going forward and going abroad and maybe put their future investment in United States or other country more than Taiwan, it will a kind of a damage to Taiwan, the security and the economy. So the situation right now is at first, so at the beginning a little surprise but understandable. And the secondly, we want to make sure we want to made, we want to know more about the the whole process. And then we found out that the process kind of unclear because our government is kind of their public announcement is kind of a little bit vague, like do they know before, or do they know afterward, and it's the second stage is kind of unclear.

Kind of worry about that.

And the third stage, which is now, yesterday we just got a public kind of information made by the Ministry of Economy, which made very clear the Ministry of Economy and our Executive Yuan, which is the central government leader, the whole leading team and the whole ministry, they didn't know before the announcement.

Really?

Quote, quote by their own, 你可以 check 一下。

Yeah, yeah, if you can send me that link, I'd appreciate that.

Yeah, yeah, you don't know about that? Yeah, it's the latest information, it's yesterday, they're kind of like, 就是經濟部長說他們事前不知情。Yeah, yeah.

So now it's kind of surprise, understandable, and unclear, a little bit worry, and now from my part, it's kind of a seriously worry about that. Because if our government, as a government, they should protect our economy and to protect some key, very key technology should not be able to very easily to kind of like flowing out to the other place, even though flowing to some friendly country, but we should make sure that our government, you know, have some control or like have some understanding about that. But now it's, they kind of like, they say no, they don't know before that. They got the information at the same time with the broadcast.

Yeah, that's pretty wild.

Yeah, so yeah, that's pretty wild. So let me make sure I deliver the message again. First, United States America is our friend, and we are their friends. Stronger relationship is necessary. And second, TSMC is really important. We really looking forward to see TSMC to bring their impact to all over the world. However, at the same time, we have to make sure it will not damage to our national security and economy in Taiwan.

So my feedback is kind of three steps. And yes, that's it.

Yes, that's great. Thank you. And that answers a few of the questions I wanted to ask you in a row, so I appreciate that. So I mean we've talked about your reaction, I'm curious about how you feel about what's actually within the deal, because I think it's going to be about five different facilities in the US and scaling up in terms of making more advanced chips. However, at the press conference, the TSMC CEO still claimed that the most advanced research and development will stay within Taiwan. When you look at what was announced, how does it seem to you in terms of whether, you know, Taiwan's leading role as a global semiconductor manufacturer is compromised or not?

Um, yeah, first of all, I think President Trump, the goal from President Trump is very clear. He wants to make sure the semiconductor manufacturing proportion in made in United States will come from like under 5% grow to like 40%. You know that number, right? And so it's kind of like a huge growth.

And we understand what he thinking. We respect because he's trying to make America great again, right? However, at the same time, we have to make sure Taiwan will be play, playing an important role again and again to make sure we are safe, okay? So we respect the goal set by President Donald Trump. However, we have to respect and we have to rely on the strategy and the moving, kind of like, the strategy and the decision making with the TSMC and our government, because our government is the single largest holder, shareholder of TSMC.

So the result, so we understand that the current situation, which is the TSMC have made a kind of, how to say that, not... okay, let me explain.

Take your time.

Yeah, so at the beginning in the press release in the White House, CC Wei made it clear we will have a lot of facility will move to United States, including CoWoS, right? 封裝, let me check. CoWoS, right? 封裝廠. You know that? 封裝 is a little too advanced for me. Yeah, I know. Okay, kind of like, assembly or, no, it's not assembly. It's like a packaging, yes, packaging. So not only the manufacturing, but also packaging, not the packaging, it's like very high-tech packaging, and also a research center, right? And the manufacturing technology is not 3 nano, it's 2 nano and also A16 technology, which is the 1.6 nanometer process. So it's the highest level of the technology that which TSMC owned right now.

So at the announcement, press release in White House, CC Wei made it clear these three manufacturing line and two packaging factory and one research center will contained in this 100 billion project. And his own word, quote from CC Wei, after that, United States, the TSMC factory in United States can make their jobs by their own without contacting to Taiwan part. And USA, the manufacturing in USA will have their own pace and you know stand alone and walk, you know keep going on. So we can send you the original quote, but if you check the original announcement you can see that.

So which means kind of like, which means he want to deliver Donald Trump's wish that made in USA purely without a constraint from Taiwan part will be deliver in this whole project. However, after CC Wei come back to Taiwan and have a press release with our President Lai, everything kind of a little bit vague again because he, or President Lai, has say something like the key manufacturing technology will still in Taiwan and they will need us and don't worry.

So to my point of view, I understand and I respect the TSMC, they have their own pressure or they have their own strategy to say something to different parties. However, or country or place. However, as a public servant, we are not really clear right now, will the USA, the chips made in USA will still rely on Taiwan. The key manufacturing technology will growing or develop in Taiwan and make sure it will follow by our Taiwanese government rules, like after one or two or three years it will going abroad, or it will sooner and sooner to going abroad to USA or the other country. Now is unclear. So back to your question, I think...

I think, um, if this part not clear, then we cannot sure,

we cannot make sure our...

Silicon shield?

Yes, the Silicon shield, or like...

Wait a moment... yeah, make sure the importance of Taiwan

will stay the same importance level in this seriously changing, rapidly changing geopolitical situation.

And we will not able to make sure that if we are compromised by this investment and the investment project led by TSMC.

Because it's not only the situation or the issue only for a TSMC single company. It's all connected to our stock market, our talent, our technology, and our the whole ecosystem followed by TSMC. It's all connected. But now it's kind of unclear.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, and thanks for being so specific with your response too.

It's really helpful to think about the concerns that are raised in terms of how the news is delivered and what's still vague.

So I know you mentioned that the US is a trusted ally, but I mean, in the past few weeks or even in the past few months,

we've seen the current president talk about Taiwan as stealing American jobs.

How do you kind of think that Taiwan should approach negotiating with the new administration and still balancing its own economic and security needs in situations like this?

Yeah, thank you, it's a really good question. First, many people in Taiwan are fans of Donald Trump, President Trump.

And many people know that he's kind of like a dealmaker or like a business dealmaker or kind of like that.

And now it's really good at election, or something like that. So many people are talking about not to get it too serious about what he's saying,

but we should concentrate on what he's doing. So as a dealmaking process, something one's speaking is not equal to something one's taking action, right?

So for the President Trump, we kind of like think not to ignore what he's saying.

However, not to single focus. You know, it's part of his thinking, but not whole, right?

For example, if we check like the relationship right now, like USA with France or like Mexico or Canada, he's saying a lot.

However, what he's doing is very important. So at the beginning in Taiwan, I always have an saying like,

whenever you hear like President Trump just elected at that time, because he's saying that Taiwan stole the semiconductor business from United States before he got elected, right?

So I always have on my own friends and my own followers that not too much concentrating on the keyword 'steal'.

Because in United States, in the Western world, the culture behind the single sentence like 'steal' is not too, maybe it's just an ordinary speaking, not too serious or not very,

you know, it's just a situation that you take something from me, okay? Or like, for example, like Steve Jobs has said a well said,

that good artist copy, great artist steal. So steal could be like a metaphor that you're doing something really good.

You did a great job, right? So at that time, President Trump saying Taiwan did a great job,

they steal the semiconductor business from United States. So it's understandable, right? We did a great job.

So after the TSMC announced the 100 billion investment, you can see that President Donald Trump,

he mentioned the same situation with a different or like similar word without steal,

but only complement, or something like: okay, they're really good, they're kind of the top in the world.

So I think saying something is not the truly decision point for us. We want to make sure that how he... what kind of action he will take.

So right now, the thing that we know very clear is he wants to make sure that he will kind of help United States manufacturing business will growing and great again

with trusted partner from Taiwan. And also the greater impact with Taiwan, then greater impact with United States,

which addressed by the announcement with Donald Trump, right? So that's it. I think we don't need to get really panic.

And I think if United States keep make sure they are trying to stop war and make economy great again not only for United States,

but also try to take care about the global economy, then and Taiwan government try to play leur role and make sure they protect the benefit of Taiwan, then everything will be fine.

Yeah, now the situation is we're kind of a little bit worry about our government in Taiwan, the ruling party, they kind of not in the situation

because they're kind of delayed and they kind of like not really clear to their people and they are not clear about what they should do for the next. So this is what we're really worry.

So do you think that there's a risk that Taiwan could lose the Silicon shield under the current administration? And what would happen if that were to happen?

I think Silicon shield is something that we talk too much and wait way too much.

Because a place like Taiwan, we have a plural economy. We have AI, we have software, we have cybersecurity really good team in Taiwan,

we have blockchain startup really proactive in Taiwan, we have computer vision team, we have Apple research team, we have the top-notch, you know, the algorithm team from Meta in Taiwan.

So we're kind of like plural. We have a lot of shield. It's just Silicon shield is more famous.

However, the other type of shield also needs our government to pay attention, instead of just push our Silicon shield to the frontline and make it damage at the beginning.

So you can say that Silicon shield is just a kind of like a quote or like a metaphor of an whole ecosystem of semiconductor made manufactured in Taiwan.

And it play a really important role in Taiwan.

If TSMC bring their technology to the other country, even the country are our ally, too soon or too much, then it will bring damage to our national security, for sure.

If our government have a really close relationship and really, you know, have a significant involvement in this type of collaboration, then it's fine.

And and now the situation is our private sector with a large proportion of our government investment and shareholding, they doing their business and made their decision with the other country by their own, without a commit- a commitment, or without an agreement or without a communication, conversation with our government, it it will be a damage because it may lead the other similar company to go follow. Then it will bring a damage to Silicon shield.

So if everything follow by law, because we have a national security law, we we have a law to forbidden some key manufacturing technology not be able to bring to the other country very easily, we have some- we have a clear rule. But if our private sector, our government is not playing with the rule, then we have problem.

So and for United States, they don't have the obligation to warn you that you are you know cross the line in your domestic rule. They don't have the obligation to do that. They they have to think about their people. So then we have our government to have to think for our people.

And private sector they have to grow, they have to survive, they have to, you know, so but however, if they are Taiwan public company on the stock market, they have their obligation to have a meeting, to have a following the Taiwan rule, and also they have their obligation to the the public investor, right? So the silicon- Silicon shield is you know a metaphor, and and it's connect to many many other things, not only TSMC.

And if we make it very carefully and clearly and not so ambiguous or like vague, then I think even though even TSMC going to all over the world like Europe, or Japan, it's still fine. Yeah, so the now the situation right now is the unclear communication between Taiwan and TSMC and TSMC and United States and United States and and the Taiwan government with United States. Yeah.

Makes a lot of sense. Yeah. So last thing I wanted to ask about is that at the last week's press conference, CC Wei and the President Lai claimed that the decision was basically a business decision by TSMC, it's motivated to meet increasing client demand in the US and there was not some kind of pressure from the US administration to do this. And I'm just wondering whether you think that's true.

Okay, the the true situation may be only be known by certain people. For example like CC Wei, or Tim Cook, or the significant client of TSMC.

The thing is as CC Wei has some obligation to make sure their shareholder and their investment- investor keep believing in this company. So um so there's something he needs to say.

And at the same time a single situation should not be have a- should not have only one voice. Now the situation right now is um when CC Wei in United States, he saying that many things will move to United States, and it will be stand alone, it will going along by itself. But when he come back, our- CC Wei, President Lai, our government, it all says one thing: it will be safe, don't worry. Without, without, without any formal document and analyzing re- report by our government. It's not right.

CC Wei as a owner, or like a a- not owner, like a president of a private company, he he needs to say something, and he need to say something in particular way. But our government, they have their obligation to try to reveal or deliver the truth to the people.

Like National Security Department they should explore this type of compromise, will it harm to our national security? And they should make a report. And Ministry of Economy, they have to make it clear what type of process for a private sector to bring their key technology to the other place. And what's the risk that we have right now? And what's our next step?

And President Lai should declare their strategy in all you know all you know in whole, right? But now we don't get that.

So um so again what's your your your question is like um...

I think you basically answered it. It was about because I you talked about the lack of transparency and how and how the deal was explained to the public, and I understand that it's also hard to fully understand what people are thinking behind closed doors. The the last thing...

The pressure from United States, right?

First of all, Pres- President Trump explain many time that Taiwan doing a great job, but we need to make it in bring to United States. And if you ask Trump that are you pushing Taiwan or are you pushing TSMC, he might agree or he might say something else. It's not important, right?

The situation now is is um the United States of America, the government they and the the majority of their people, they want to have jobs, they want to have a manufacturing solution in domestic area. Uh so they're using the tariff or like the other dealmaking strategy to try to make their benefit, for sure.

So if we think there's no pressure from United States of America, and this type of thinking is come from our president, I will be really worry, you know. And but you cannot get a concrete information like from Trump: yes, I'm pushing Taiwan, or or President Lai: yes, we got some pressure. I I don't think so. They they will they will not you know make it really clear.

So however, we have we we have to rationally, like we have to think this whole situation rational. The thing right now is, yes, there are some pressure from United States, from the client...

Client from Apple, from Trump, it's not very important. There's some pressure to make Taiwan, at the most technology hold in Taiwan company, to going abroad to the other place, to for the other country, for the other business in the other country to derisk their risk.

And uh, so you know, um, from my point of view that um, if there's some people in our government to ignore the hidden pressure or, you know, say no pressure in public, I will be really worried.

Yeah, but uh, he can say that. But I hope that he will do something else. Like no pressure, however, hold a lot of meeting and get a lot of report made by the government and to deliver the message to our people what's the situation right now, and what's the next step.

He can still keep speaking like no pressure, but doing something really rational and, uh, you know, to to take the whole situation in control. Then it's a better situation. Right now it's not like this.

So you're calling for the whole negotiation process to be made public?

No, no, no, no. Of course, it's impossible. I made it- I made my point before that it's impossible to get the the negotiate be transparent. However, the thing is,

it's not the key point to listen what they're speaking or talking. The key point is what they're doing.

So, um, the situation right now, even Donald Trump not speaking loudly that I'm pushing Taiwan, or I'm pushing TSMC, however the the action they're making is kind of will bring some pressure to TSMC or Taiwan because of tariff, because of something.

And in Taiwan, um, they can say that the government they can say that no pressure, but at the same time they have- they should do something proactively: have a lot of meeting to have a lot of report, analyzation about the impact, but now we didn't see that.

So, this is the thing that I really worry about that. Yes.

Yeah. Um, and there's one thing that you mentioned that I just need to clarify, um, because we talked about the relationship between the various shields and national security in Taiwan. Can you just, um, briefly explain your view on how Taiwan's national security relates to semiconductors and other industries and their continuing presence in Taiwan?

Okay.

I'll just make sure we're recording. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, okay.

The thing the thing is,

because like everything, for example, like now the device you're taking the record or like I'm watch, you know, make sure I'm on time, the Apple Watch, or like the drone that we are using in Ukraine war,

everything, like the television, the refrigerator, we need IC. And therefore we need like semiconductor being produced and being designed and produced.

And especially now we have space technology, we have AI technology, we have quantum computer, we have a lot of technology improvement and development needs semiconductor, needs IC.

And to my understanding that um, maybe like 60, 70, 80, or even 90% of the manufacturing, the whole ecosystem is made by Taiwan company.

And also there is other number that we are we are getting impact from the AI, generative AI, right? The overall like over 90% of AI warehouse, like a warehouse-trained AI,

is established with the help from the Taiwan company.

So the Silicon shield is not only on the IC or chips. It's like a technology, a lot of technology, the ICT technology, semiconductor, IC design is, you know, developed with Taiwan.

And maybe from Taiwan.

So Taiwan is kind of a birthplace of the latest technology driving our world to moving forward.

So that's one of the reason why geopolitical situation should be stable in the Indo-Pacific, especially in, you know, Taiwan Strait. Because if Taiwan stop making chips, if Taiwan stop making semiconductor, the latest model or the the process, 2 nano or 1.6 nano, then the technology will temporarily stop

moving forward. It's quote from the other people, it's not me speaking like that.

So so make sure Taiwan can keep developing great technology with the world and for the world, it's kind of like a consensus of the world to together help Taiwan Strait be safe.

So the connection between the Silicon shield and national security is kind of like maybe hidden or maybe indirect. But but yeah, some in some angle you can see the direct relationship. For example like if there's something happen in Taiwan,

quote from the Donald Trump, President Trump, there will be a big impact. Yeah, the big impact.

So the national security in Taiwan is really important to the other place national security. Also there one more thing is

because Taiwan we're a place that we inherit and we precious the value of democracy and free speech.

And we decline, we we forbidden the influence from the CCP.

So the Taiwan manufacturing ecosystem is kind of like free, I mean, embrace the free speech, the value of free speech and the democracy. So

it will be a trusted tech deliver from us.

And if without Taiwan, maybe the second choice or the second source that the other country can make or can get is from mainland China,

right? So it's also another national security issue not only for Taiwan but also for the other country.

So um, that's very important.

And, um, yeah. So so the thing is as a party, opposition party and the majority in the parliament right now, as a KMT party, we keep shouting out that our government should not

only pay attention on single type of business, which is semiconductor.

We should also make sure that we have other chicken and eggs in the other basket.

For example like software, cybersecurity, AI, robotics. So if you check my interpolation before, I always shout out that to request our government to pay attention on the other business and our other business needs our government's help a lot.

However, for many, many years, like this is the, maybe the 10th years or the third term of DPP as a ruling party, they only pay attention on like green energy as a tech business and also the semiconductor. It's not...

...enough. Way not enough. Far more enough, not enough. So that's it. So it's, it's, it's national security business. It's really important to us.

If, if, if our, for example, like if Taiwan, you know, if there's something happen in Taiwan and the world will still going on really smoothly...

...then who owns Taiwan or will Taiwan be democracy like before will not the issue or the topic that will be discussed by the other leaders of the other country, right? So that's the situation that we're facing.

Makes a lot of sense. Yeah, well thank you so much, this has been a really fantastic interview and thanks for giving me really detailed and well thought out responses.

Yes, yes.

Is there anything we didn't get to talk about you also like to mention?

Yeah, let me think about. 你覺得我有什麼沒講到嗎？

我覺得我們基本上最近關注的議題應該都差不多都講到了。

Okay, wait a moment. Let me check. Yeah, thank you very much.

Yeah, have some water. Very nice coffee, thank you.

I'll just take a photo of you before I leave.

Yeah, please. Yeah.

還是要再提一下委員接下來想要提那個 AI 基本法？

Oh okay, yeah, yeah that's good.

或者是那個民生法案的部分，也可以稍微帶到一下。

Okay, wow.

Okay. First, I want to point out that we fully understand this type of negotiation will be always like a surprise the result.

Because it's under table or like in the meeting room, we fully understand. However, the thing right now is we surprisingly found out that our government officially claim that they have no clue about what things are going to happen.

It's not responsible to our people.

So that's a very important thing. And we as an opposition party and the majority in the parliament, we will make sure that our government has to reveal the, the...

...how to say that, the whole process that if do they know before, what type of meeting they have a meeting with TSMC or do they have a national security meeting and do they have an analyzation, do they have a report, or they all start to work after the announcement? So this we will make sure.

And, and second, we, we would like to say we, we as a pro-technology party and a pro-economy party, we will be rationally think and make decision to this situation of TSMC going to United States.

We will not say it's forbidden or not allowed or not welcome. No, because something needs to happen, it will needs to happen. However, we have to take to make sure the process and we need to evaluate, evaluate the, the risk and manage the risk.

So, speaking for our people or speaking for Taiwan, we have to say that TSMC maybe the final goal is to the other place to diverse their risk or to grow their business in all over the world. We respect, but the, the tempo, the speed, the technology...

...which technology with what kind of speed and when will be really important. And we believe and we hope that TSMC will think it really wisely and also think about the benefit of Taiwan because Taiwan help TSMC, KMT party help TSMC to found it back to 40 years ago.

And our government is the single largest shareholder of TSMC even nowadays. And our people invest a lot as a shareholder, you know, general public, they love TSMC. So TSMC I hope, we believe that they will doing, think things wisely and doing things smartly.

And the last thing I want to say is about the, the, the how the diverse make our industry in Taiwan and economy more diverse is the obligation of our government.

So, however, right now our government is kind of like a lot of, a lot of red line. Like DeepSeek, the model is forbidden in the government sector and not encourage the business to use the AI from mainland China.

And no other grant or reward to how to say that to, to, to help, to provide help to local AI business. So it's not balanced.

Now we're losing kind of Silicon shield and now we are set up a red line some technology you cannot get in and now we have to have another strategy to, to make it balance.

For example like to cultivate or to advocate or to, to boost our local business in the other area not only in semiconductor manufacturing. So in my and now we don't have a AI act.

So our government facing to AI is kind of like a very kind of conservative and how you know step back. And it's not good to our country, to our economy, to our national security.

Because in the near future there will be like a nation with, a nation with AI enabled by AI and compete with the other or like not compete it's like...

I know what you mean.

Yeah, you know, maybe not compete, it's like invade or like influence or like, you know.

AI will be an advantage for certain countries.

Yes, yes. And now we don't have AI act. So it's a huge loophole of Taiwan. So now in this meeting session, I'm the key leader of the education and culture committee in the Legislative Yuan.

Which is the, the committee we will make sure the AI being developed well in Taiwan. So I am the key proposer of AI act in Taiwan and my version of AI act with the think tank of...

working with think tank of KMT, we will make sure the AI act will help

us to diverse our, you know, the business, the technology business in Taiwan.

To make sure that we will take care about the AI hardware or like the the semiconductor or the IC design.

However, at the same time we should take care about the the software or the other business.

And government should play some role in diversifying the the industry and the economy in Taiwan.

So my AI act will also play a role in this to make sure the if there are some glitch

or some broken in happen or, you know, doing some damage on the silicon shield,

we can have a some backup or some glue to make sure it's still strong,

and make sure our people be safe and also have a great life in Taiwan.

And many foreign company or foreigner will still willing to come to Taiwan to do business. Yeah.

That's the thing. Thank you so much.

And it's really interesting you bring up the act and I may do a story sometime in the future about the AI act.

Yeah, please. Yes, yes.

But thank you so much for your time today. It was a- it's a great conversation.

Yes.

And everything you communicated you had very concrete examples. So that's really useful for me as a journalist.

Yes.

Yes.

Thank you.

Thank you, thank you.

Stop recording now.

And I'll just take one photo of you before I go.

Yeah, sure, definitely.

Yeah, up to you. Up to you.

Sit or like stand or like...

Let me see how the light comes in here.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think if you can stand by, like, over here.

Oh sure, sure.

All right, perfect.

Okay, one, two, three.

And again, one, two, three.

Last one. One, two, three.

Thank you.

Thank you, thank you. Maybe we take one in the front too?

Yeah, sure, sure.

Okay. One, two, three. One, two, three. One more time.

Wait, I'll take my mask off.

Okay.

One, two, three. One, two, three. One more time. One, two, three. Okay, good. Thank you.

Thank you. Yeah, I didn't give you my card. Okay, I actually ran out, but...

Yeah, it's fine. We have each other's...

Yeah, it's fine. Thank you.

Let's keep connected. Yeah, because we need more discussion

and some information from all over the world because

yeah the situation right now in Taiwan is kind of a little bit messy, you know.

Even we as a public servant we didn't get the concrete information from our government.

It's kind of a little bit frustrating, you know.

Yeah. I- I mean, yeah, I can't imagine being blindsided.

It's never a pleasant surprise, especially on something like this.

Yeah, yeah, and I think surprise is fine.

However, if after surprise

we we we still didn't get some, you know,

concrete information or like show some confidence that our government is in is in control,

then, you know, people will start worry about that, right?

Definitely. Sounds- sounds like an anxious situation.

Yeah.

Well best of luck. Yeah, I'll keep in- I'll keep in touch with you once the stories out.

Yes, yes, please. Yes.

Thank you, thank you. Of course.

這送你，好。

謝謝，謝謝。